Derek Acorah

[mongrel]

i will not beleive the kreed kafer bit because it was only ever mentioned afterwards ,and i have pointed out that if ciaran wants to out fakes he should out yvette who has been caught on film.
andf in one of sdereks books i read he stated that they knew he had been to some of the locations beforehand but was told to say he hadnt.
and i have seen him on shows state that he cant get exact dates ,so i dont beleive everything either but i dont disbeleive just for the sake of it.

[Nutty2]

mongrel Wrote:i will not beleive the kreed kafer bit because it was only ever mentioned afterwards ,and i have pointed out that if ciaran wants to out fakes he should out yvette who has been caught on film.
andf in one of sdereks books i read he stated that they knew he had been to some of the locations beforehand but was told to say he hadnt.
and i have seen him on shows state that he cant get exact dates ,so i dont beleive everything either but i dont disbeleive just for the sake of it.

Kreed Kafer was Ciarán's idea and the name was deliberately banded around the location under investigation by the rest of the Team and within earshot of Derek; the trap had been set and Ciarán bided his time until that trap was sprung - he didn't have to wait long, as Derek famously used the name that evening.

I don't believe Ciarán was being malicious when he set the trap, nor do I believe that he intentionally set out to expose Derek as a fraud - although the use of the word Faker does lead to certain questions being asked - rather, I believe it to have been more of a test of psychic ability - by using a known constant - we must remember that Derek frequently came up with names and dates for the locations that matched no accessible documentation, possibly indicating a lack of psychic ability by his making things up.

[skeptico]

Yeah I'll accept the test of genuine psychic ability idea.
Although as far as parapsychologists go - I am unimpressed by Ciaran.
occasionally he makes sense (recently he said that what Yvette was experiencing in the scrying room was not scrying at all but was in fact a recognised facet of cognitive fallibility and basic physiology) but a lot of the time he says things like "I was very impressed with the table tipping - I think we may need to do mroe research into this..."
Well Ciaran, why don't you look at the research which already exists stating that table tipping as a paranormal phenomenon is extremely unlikely at best.

And if Derek keeps coming out with non-verifiable information, and was baited by an elementary trap then I think we have a fairly strong indication that he's maybe not as psychic as he claims to be.

Out if interest, if I claimed to be psychic and went to, say, Alton Towers and started reeling off names and dates of people who lived there - who here would believe I was doing anything more than getting prior information?

[mongrel]

or he could have just been wrong ,ever been to a mechanic that made a wrong diagnosis? should he have been ridiculed on tv?
and as i said it only ever emerged after the apparent set up.and i dont doubt tht some do get prior info but i also beleive he gets things right ,he wouldnt have ben asked to do the show in thefirst place if he was a nobody .and what about when good old wellsy says i dont know do they throw him off the show as a fake,after all hes suposed to have the gift why doesnt he know everything.
if you want to beleive good if you dont good but thats my opinion and ill keep it thanks.

[Nutty2]

mongrel Wrote:or he could have just been wrong ,ever been to a mechanic that made a wrong diagnosis? should he have been ridiculed on tv?
and as i said it only ever emerged after the apparent set up.and i dont doubt tht some do get prior info but i also beleive he gets things right ,he wouldnt have ben asked to do the show in thefirst place if he was a nobody .and what about when good old wellsy says i dont know do they throw him off the show as a fake,after all hes suposed to have the gift why doesnt he know everything.
if you want to beleive good if you dont good but thats my opinion and ill keep it thanks.

I don't think that saying "I don't know" would merit ridding the show of a Medium - it is a very misguided preconception that Mediums should know everything about a person who presents themself in spirit form; if you listen to David Wells carefully, he will say that the spirit person is presenting themselves as, say, headless or gripping their chest or that they are impressing upon him the sensation of strangulation or a tight chest, id est, they are only passing on information that they want known at that specific moment in time.

You will also notice that he won't say a person's name until he has it right, Yvette may ask for a name in one part of a location, but the name will not become manifest until they are somewhere else.

Derek, on the other hand would always try and get the information then and there, you hear him unnecessarily repeating syllables, as though he is trying to recollect information that he has gleaned previously - it is almost as though every location subjects Derek to exam conditions: you know the type, where the question has you searching the very back of your mind to retrieve the information for your answer.

Perhaps this was the reasoning behind Ciarán's trap; as a confirmed sceptic, he would not have deemed it unreasonable to throw in a made-up name to get the result he did. What we must remember is that the name Kreed Kafer was not the only piece of spurious information to be banded around, there were others and Derek used all of them in his appraisal of the location. Had he come out with just one of them, that could have been forgiven but to use all of them as 'evidence' showed a lack of judgement on his part.

Despite the revelations that he is a 'fake' Medium, Derek Acorah is still very successful and that is due, mainly, to the consensus of opinion that Most Haunted is staged and the entire Crew is faking the phenomena just to get the viewing figures.

Be that as it may, there are people who will always follow the likes of Derek Acorah, David Wells and Most Haunted without question, just as there will always be those who knock them.

Only one person truly knows whether Derek Acorah is a genuine or a fake Medium - that person is Derek Acorah himself.

[jondibleylvr]

i agree its the same as ppl sying MH is faked we'll never know, and the only ppl who know is the ppl who work on the show.

We just have to believe it (or not) ourselves.

[blackannis]

well said JBLuvr and Nutty2!

[Shazzy]

I too used to think Derek was genuine, but after all his so called possesions i changed my mind . He seemed to do them on cue, everytime things were a bit slow , he would start off on one, and they became laughable!
But i still laugh when i think about "Mary loves ****" that was very funny.

[mongrel]

i dont see why everyone beleives what ciaran says after the act and yet they are all to easy to say yvette wasnt cheating when she has been caught ,ciaran should havesaid something before hand thats why hes there not to make traps and say things after it.

[Nutty2]

mongrel Wrote:i dont see why everyone beleives what ciaran says after the act and yet they are all to easy to say yvette wasnt cheating when she has been caught ,ciaran should havesaid something before hand thats why hes there not to make traps and say things after it.

Ciarán's job on MH is to try to provide a logical and well based opinion to any situation that could be deemed to be paranormal.

It is extremely difficult to prove that anything is paranormal, because we have no tangible evidence that life exists beyond death.

Ciarán obviously had his doubts about Derek from early on and he must have talked over his suspicions with Karl and Yvette before he could go foward and plant his false information.

I agree with you that perhaps he shouldn't set traps, but if traps are what it takes to prove whether or not there is life beyond death, then the end justifies the means.

As I said in my earlier Post, it was bad judgement on Derek's part to fall into Ciarán's trap and use that false information in his appraisal of the location.